Comments on: Flight Training School (post 2) http://suebrooks.com.au/2008/flight-training-school-post2/ The Blog of Councillor Sue Brooks, Hervey Bay - Fraser Coast Mon, 06 Sep 2010 09:34:10 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Peter http://suebrooks.com.au/2008/flight-training-school-post2/comment-page-1/#comment-732 Peter Wed, 08 Jul 2009 03:53:01 +0000 http://suebrooks.com.au/?p=170#comment-732 It's gone? You'll be relieved then. I'm afraid I'm another person who is finally sick and tired of the aircraft noise from Parafield. I moved into the area in 1978 after buying a house. The planes didn't worry me then, not even when I could read the registration numbers underneath the wings as they flew over because, well, there weren't that many. I moved out of the area in 1996 and returned in 2003. There was a bit more activity but it wasn't too bad. Now in 2009 I'm moving out and the main reason is the aircraft noise. Somewhere between 1978 and 2009 it got much busier. I'm at work during the day so I don't hear much and at weekends I don't really notice as I'm busy but I do have to stay home to work from home occasionally and fair dinkum I can't believe the amount of aircraft noise coming from Parafield these days. I'm only glad I'm renting and can move without too much economic loss. Let me make the point that I'm not anti-light aircraft, my first flight was as an ATC Cadet in the UK in the 1960s in a tiny (well I thought it was ridiculously small) Chipmunk and I've been plane nuts (please note the spelling) ever since. I would have loved to learn but unfortunately dollars and a terrible mind for mathematics worked agains it. I like Parafield, flown in and out of it a few times over the years but whatever has happened in the last few years to make it so busy has to be examined. If it's the training school then it should be moved, the folks living here were there first, the busy schedule of movements from the training school sounds like it's late on scene. It’s gone? You’ll be relieved then. I’m afraid I’m another person who is finally sick and tired of the aircraft noise from Parafield. I moved into the area in 1978 after buying a house. The planes didn’t worry me then, not even when I could read the registration numbers underneath the wings as they flew over because, well, there weren’t that many. I moved out of the area in 1996 and returned in 2003. There was a bit more activity but it wasn’t too bad. Now in 2009 I’m moving out and the main reason is the aircraft noise. Somewhere between 1978 and 2009 it got much busier. I’m at work during the day so I don’t hear much and at weekends I don’t really notice as I’m busy but I do have to stay home to work from home occasionally and fair dinkum I can’t believe the amount of aircraft noise coming from Parafield these days. I’m only glad I’m renting and can move without too much economic loss. Let me make the point that I’m not anti-light aircraft, my first flight was as an ATC Cadet in the UK in the 1960s in a tiny (well I thought it was ridiculously small) Chipmunk and I’ve been plane nuts (please note the spelling) ever since. I would have loved to learn but unfortunately dollars and a terrible mind for mathematics worked agains it. I like Parafield, flown in and out of it a few times over the years but whatever has happened in the last few years to make it so busy has to be examined. If it’s the training school then it should be moved, the folks living here were there first, the busy schedule of movements from the training school sounds like it’s late on scene.

]]> By: Ben Collingwood http://suebrooks.com.au/2008/flight-training-school-post2/comment-page-1/#comment-675 Ben Collingwood Tue, 26 May 2009 22:11:01 +0000 http://suebrooks.com.au/?p=170#comment-675 Its gone, it certainly won't be coming back so can we please move on?! Its gone, it certainly won’t be coming back so can we please move on?!

]]> By: Ruth http://suebrooks.com.au/2008/flight-training-school-post2/comment-page-1/#comment-673 Ruth Tue, 26 May 2009 07:56:38 +0000 http://suebrooks.com.au/?p=170#comment-673 Having moved from a large city in Canada, I can attest that the constant noise from Parafield makes it difficult to concentrate, much less work from home. Over the last 3 years the noise has increased exponentially and the planes fly circuits from 8am to early evening. Sometimes I have had to resort to wearing earplugs in the house, as it is similar to a mob of mosquitos buzzing in my ear in the still of the night. I know we will have to move soon as I am becoming very anxious, unfortunately. It is a sad state of affairs when a handful of niche businesses are the rule rather than the exception and are allowed to destroy the fabric of thousands of individuals' well-being. Having moved from a large city in Canada, I can attest that the constant noise from Parafield makes it difficult to concentrate, much less work from home. Over the last 3 years the noise has increased exponentially and the planes fly circuits from 8am to early evening. Sometimes I have had to resort to wearing earplugs in the house, as it is similar to a mob of mosquitos buzzing in my ear in the still of the night. I know we will have to move soon as I am becoming very anxious, unfortunately. It is a sad state of affairs when a handful of niche businesses are the rule rather than the exception and are allowed to destroy the fabric of thousands of individuals’ well-being.

]]> By: since day one http://suebrooks.com.au/2008/flight-training-school-post2/comment-page-1/#comment-293 since day one Wed, 26 Nov 2008 12:01:30 +0000 http://suebrooks.com.au/?p=170#comment-293 i was one of the first to buy land in mawson lakes, the airport was known and the amount of flying was ok. you only have to go to the air services website to see the intolarable increase of traffic that has been generated by the flying schools. scince 1999 to now and yes its 10.37pm and they have been circling over my house from 6.30 when i got home. iv'e heard all the put downs from people anout this and that. it can be hell sometimes. i was one of the first to buy land in mawson lakes,
the airport was known and the amount of flying was ok.
you only have to go to the air services website to see the intolarable increase of traffic that has been generated by the flying schools. scince 1999 to now
and yes its 10.37pm and they have been circling over my house from 6.30 when i got home.
iv’e heard all the put downs from people anout this and that.
it can be hell sometimes.

]]> By: ramon http://suebrooks.com.au/2008/flight-training-school-post2/comment-page-1/#comment-277 ramon Mon, 17 Nov 2008 01:59:45 +0000 http://suebrooks.com.au/?p=170#comment-277 Medivacs & Flying doctors are not causing the distress. Those 'experts' quoting that “Unneccesary (sic) Aviation” is a catch phrase do not make me laugh. They seem to deliberately leave out the adjunct "over established residential areas", or are not be able to comprehend sentences containing more than a handful of words. Flights training for Local needs are necessary, and were tolerated around Parafield until industrial flight training commenced - for foreign needs. These foreign cadets do not live here, do not have family here, and are not committed to remain here - so they can train anywhere, not over established urban areas. Medivacs & Flying doctors are not causing the distress.

Those ‘experts’ quoting that “Unneccesary (sic) Aviation” is a catch phrase do not make me laugh. They seem to deliberately leave out the adjunct “over established residential areas”, or are not be able to comprehend sentences containing more than a handful of words.

Flights training for Local needs are necessary, and were tolerated around Parafield until industrial flight training commenced – for foreign needs. These foreign cadets do not live here, do not have family here, and are not committed to remain here – so they can train anywhere, not over established urban areas.

]]> By: Ben Collingwood http://suebrooks.com.au/2008/flight-training-school-post2/comment-page-1/#comment-276 Ben Collingwood Sat, 15 Nov 2008 09:20:23 +0000 http://suebrooks.com.au/?p=170#comment-276 This catch phrase "Unneccesary Aviation" really makes me laugh. Regardless where it is done, Aviation training is critical to maintaining a safe airline industry and ensuring the industry remains viable by ensuring a steady flow of quality pilots. I hope those who complain about aircraft noise never need to be flown via air on the Royal Flying Doctors or Medi-vac helicoptors - the pilots in these aircraft all learnt to fly at training centres not unlike the one proposed for Maryborough. I look forward to attending one of the four information sessions the council is attending and commend Sue for raising this issue in council. This is true community representation - Thanks Sue! This catch phrase “Unneccesary Aviation” really makes me laugh.

Regardless where it is done, Aviation training is critical to maintaining a safe airline industry and ensuring the industry remains viable by ensuring a steady flow of quality pilots.

I hope those who complain about aircraft noise never need to be flown via air on the Royal Flying Doctors or Medi-vac helicoptors – the pilots in these aircraft all learnt to fly at training centres not unlike the one proposed for Maryborough.

I look forward to attending one of the four information sessions the council is attending and commend Sue for raising this issue in council. This is true community representation – Thanks Sue!

]]> By: Martyn http://suebrooks.com.au/2008/flight-training-school-post2/comment-page-1/#comment-275 Martyn Thu, 13 Nov 2008 07:36:40 +0000 http://suebrooks.com.au/?p=170#comment-275 Fred Firth is spot on. I used to live in a well established part of Salisbury and just had to move out without compensation because of the sudden increase in relentless flight training noise. I'd be happier living in a remote wurlie than under that mind scrambling drone all day/evening. This happened at a time Fred's area was surveyed for sale. It’s not funny how the commerce cohorts move the pollution to obtain the highest land prices. Now that people have committed to Mawson the flight training operations return. I did consider moving to beautiful Maryborough, from what I read what’s going on, it’s not a lot different to the inconsiderate administrating mob in SA. I'm glad I didn't decide to move all that way rebuild a peaceful life there! I've added Ramon's post for your perusal. As a Councilor, you should consult your Constituents. All this growth hype only benefits a few. ---- On November 6, 2008 at 1:39 am Ramon Said: If FTQ trains over residential areas your towns will regret it. I think your Council is also being encouraged by influential others in the name of ‘growth’. Ask yourselves why they do not wish to fly over uninhabited areas? Learn what ANEF contours mean, and how many people will be adversely affected. These rubbery noise plots will appear in your airport Master plans. At Parafield, we had no say, and had no idea what we were in for when this mass flight training rot started. The Department of Transport simply developed the airport for maximum capacity with impunity, as if thousands of homes around it did not exist. Flight training will fly everywhere in uncontrolled airspace, their noise pollution remains unmeasured, maintaining the true adverse impacts to be unrecognized. Beware, at the moment there is little binding legislation protecting Community from unnecessary aviation. http://messenger-news.whereilive.com.au/news/story/time-parafield-airport-buzzed-off-salisbury-mayor/ - Interesting links and Archives below. Amongst the Newspaper archives, the Aldinga story also demonstrates the media bullying, even from a small recreational airfield: http://sites.google.com/site/parafieldairport/ Fred Firth is spot on. I used to live in a well established part of Salisbury and just had to move out without compensation because of the sudden increase in relentless flight training noise. I’d be happier living in a remote wurlie than under that mind scrambling drone all day/evening. This happened at a time Fred’s area was surveyed for sale. It’s not funny how the commerce cohorts move the pollution to obtain the highest land prices. Now that people have committed to Mawson the flight training operations return. I did consider moving to beautiful Maryborough, from what I read what’s going on, it’s not a lot different to the inconsiderate administrating mob in SA. I’m glad I didn’t decide to move all that way rebuild a peaceful life there! I’ve added Ramon’s post for your perusal. As a Councilor, you should consult your Constituents. All this growth hype only benefits a few.
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On November 6, 2008 at 1:39 am Ramon Said:
If FTQ trains over residential areas your towns will regret it. I think your Council is also being encouraged by influential others in the name of ‘growth’. Ask yourselves why they do not wish to fly over uninhabited areas? Learn what ANEF contours mean, and how many people will be adversely affected. These rubbery noise plots will appear in your airport Master plans.

At Parafield, we had no say, and had no idea what we were in for when this mass flight training rot started. The Department of Transport simply developed the airport for maximum capacity with impunity, as if thousands of homes around it did not exist. Flight training will fly everywhere in uncontrolled airspace, their noise pollution remains unmeasured, maintaining the true adverse impacts to be unrecognized.

Beware, at the moment there is little binding legislation protecting Community from unnecessary aviation.

http://messenger-news.whereilive.com.au/news/story/time-parafield-airport-buzzed-off-salisbury-mayor/
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Interesting links and Archives below. Amongst the Newspaper archives, the Aldinga story also demonstrates the media bullying, even from a small recreational airfield:
http://sites.google.com/site/parafieldairport/

]]> By: Sadman http://suebrooks.com.au/2008/flight-training-school-post2/comment-page-1/#comment-271 Sadman Mon, 10 Nov 2008 23:38:02 +0000 http://suebrooks.com.au/?p=170#comment-271 Ben, Believe me, I am not the slightest bit "confused" on this issue. Yes, based on you posts, you "DO" have the "skills" to be a politician, they also neglect to produce hard facts and ignore what they don't want to see. Sadman Ben,

Believe me, I am not the slightest bit “confused” on this issue.
Yes, based on you posts, you “DO” have the “skills” to be a
politician, they also neglect to produce hard facts and ignore what
they don’t want to see.

Sadman

]]> By: Ben Collingwood http://suebrooks.com.au/2008/flight-training-school-post2/comment-page-1/#comment-270 Ben Collingwood Mon, 10 Nov 2008 13:38:00 +0000 http://suebrooks.com.au/?p=170#comment-270 Ahh sadman.. I didn't have the confidence in my own ability - I DO have the skills to be a politician afterall.. I think we're all getting confused.. too much speculation going on here for our own good. On that note, I'll leave the debate. Ahh sadman.. I didn’t have the confidence in my own ability – I DO have the skills to be a politician afterall..

I think we’re all getting confused.. too much speculation going on here for our own good. On that note, I’ll leave the debate.

]]> By: Sadman http://suebrooks.com.au/2008/flight-training-school-post2/comment-page-1/#comment-269 Sadman Sun, 09 Nov 2008 21:36:57 +0000 http://suebrooks.com.au/?p=170#comment-269 Ben, You have done it again, distorted the argument. If you intend to start a business, I wish you well. That is not what we are talking about, your business is your money, we are talking about ratepayers money. We are talking about getting the best value out of OUR rates for the greatest number or residents/ratepayers. It's not very smart Ben to have two businesses, both losing money, 5-10 minutes flight time apart, servicing the same people. Would you open or expand a fish & chip shop, next to a fish & chip shop? Ben,

You have done it again, distorted the argument. If you intend to start a business, I wish you well. That is not what we are talking about, your business is your money, we are talking about ratepayers money.

We are talking about getting the best value out of OUR rates for the greatest number or residents/ratepayers.

It’s not very smart Ben to have two businesses, both losing money, 5-10 minutes flight time apart, servicing the same people. Would you open or expand a fish & chip shop, next to a fish & chip shop?

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