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		<title>By: De Vrei</title>
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		<description>Hi again, what happened to the first series of mass flying school posts, and Keith Morgan’s letter of spin? Were they too useful for other Councils/regions to generate debate from? I hear international flight training groups are searching to secure desirable areas of Queensland to operate in, before a responsible National Aviation Policy matures. Learn from Parafield, Moorabbin, Jandakot, Archerfield &amp; Townsville to be, Coloundra etc – 

As Maryborough Council owns its airfield, the Councillors could not get insurance to indemnify themselves for the adverse consequences that WOULD occur if they went ahead with the mass flight training proposal. Thats why its complex, FTG wont take the rap.

In your header paragraph you claim these flying schools are professionally run, yes, by highly paid: Commerce Lawyers; Public Relations experts; so called ‘independent’ Environmental Consultants etc. This will be at the expense of the average Maryborough Resident’s amenity, health, while they remain polluted and impoverished. It’s undemocratic and imperialistic, benefiting a few.

Interested about more Flight Training Group spin at Parafield? It’s the same Chinese HK tax-haven based mob running Flight Training Queensland. Similar structured organisations are popping up all over the popular parts of this country. Convenient attractive regions offering ‘lifestyle’ is what these loophole seeking carpetbaggers seek for their lucrative temporary clients, leaving locals polluted for decades. If they propose operating near you, you ought to fully inform all those effected, but how do you find the truth? Sometimes its not obvious, but below is a typical example how this form of aviation ‘consults’ locals.

You may be interested to know that Flight Training Group have been flying faulty aircraft, flown by novices, over well established suburbs now for over two years – but that is not easily found in publicly available documents.

Please refer to a link below about the faulty Diamond aircraft:

http://www.recreationalflying.com.au/forum/aviation-news/40742-flight-school-planes-mid-air-failures.html


This article was also published in Adelaide’s Sunday Mail, 28June2009. Then it was removed from their web site, about a week after publication, but before certain critical comments got posted. Here is a mirror copy of that published article:

http://3840099038536894731-a-1802744773732722657-s-sites.googlegroups.com/site/parafieldcoverup/parafield-coverup/AdelaideNow___Flightschoolplanes%27mid-airfailuresoverAdelaide.mht?attredirects=0&amp;auth=ANoY7cqauLySpmA7kxxxWDNiOJYwCW6hIChochVSERupA9CMZghFFZkJoX5d_9z8PP0tTB0MgAeZxlfPwlVKHxsc4zeWLvnpeOl0xgZfXx5WLGUIyqfqHGAR9gmBQRunHAet2ly7hbOY-9yxvfZkJp97Gi_Fy_IyND-S0ZjZWgRsbJnaOiMDOCHwwRTB_xSLhCWx7EUyMcgqN-7nJtbahlFlr91A4pLTHsM5f30WPEc2jJfpdRE7hxKQGAS4oKeCTvncRmb2yFOgMTkArLQPp6y1w2ZKAS3ej9bUYw34vyzBmJ8fLg6yem4%3D

A fleet of these ‘unproven’ aircraft have been used extensively over surrounding Parafield suburbs since about April 2007. Stalling and sputtering engine sounds over housing were commonplace. Pro-aviation spin doctors managed to get this article linked below in our local paper, claiming how much fun it is to practice flying emergencies, e.g. page 7 of:

http://5628246579836699463-a-1802744773732722657-s-sites.googlegroups.com/site/parafieldairport/Home/newspaper-clippings-1/ParafieldAirportNewspaperSamplesfor2008.pdf?attredirects=0&amp;auth=ANoY7cru1PoBrTLPTd8sZNW_PNtFT2-BOH1hwI_U6ASuDrImgkNkvUudttgtcgAc8csnkK__NcoKb89eANLmJ0QjE_-zuzg1_GW5bVIPZDffQa3ewSsNmct-LiaB1EbbUXvVmD_m7XKqDuOqrIMTJU-GpoixfFJWv9Xozyv-sEb7Saw9IutqcZjMP4Me4o2WQyRn8kYRTU3yEJibDjuYrGrTRQ1ErJh4H7tLFPUtFFXhhRznNwlwAKM3JLmaFllIZYkiuoUOkJzhTUomhbw3QUQcegO63FDhrw%3D%3D

As the CEO of the Chinese owned Flight Training Group, Keith Morgan would have known about these unresolved aircraft problems at the time he was spruiking the so called benefits of mass foreign flight training extensively polluting half of residential Maryborough ¬mid 2008. ‘Business as usual’ at Parafield – All of Sunday, 5July 2009 there was not 10 minutes peace without a training or recreational over flight polluting vast suburban areas within the uncontrolled airspace around Parafield. The following Monday 6July 2009, there was 50 to 100 overflights per hour, for approximately 12 hours till ¬9:30PM! This can continue all days throughout the week, over the same thousands of homes. That’s not one every five minutes, I do not know where that idea comes from. It takes about 5 minutes to fly a circuit, but they often put up 6 or more aircraft doing the same circuit, at the same time!

Little wonder the same people complain, most give up. Disgusting, and another reason South Australian and Federal Government Departments need an ICAC.

Oh, and would you like to be reminded what low flying ‘light aircraft’ training sounds like, 4kilometers obtuse from the runway, in a typical backyard, here is a 80+ decibel sample, have a listen to recording V0924012 on this web page here:

http://sites.google.com/site/parafieldairportnoisepollution/9-11---2008-parafield---a-typical-days-flight-training/morning-gory

The newer so called quiet planes are hardly perceivable claimed 2-3decibels less noise, but of a more thrashing quality.

Absolutely sickening, a lot more annoying per decibel than jet aircraft, relentless, and the only guarantee to be spared is stormy weather. Anyone believing these to be ‘quiet little birds’ must be deaf, or a twit. This rot is supported by Federal Departments of Transport (which run Airservices Australia), Foreign Affairs and Trade, irresponsible State Governments and spun media. I hope this helps a better understanding what your Council needs to deal with. 

p.s. if links fail, stopparafieldairnoise@hotmail.com  will send you the files…

Please take heed, I’ve given up all thoughts retiring to Qld before I can guarantee protection from this rot pushed by government.

Regards SPAN - DeVrei</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi again, what happened to the first series of mass flying school posts, and Keith Morgan’s letter of spin? Were they too useful for other Councils/regions to generate debate from? I hear international flight training groups are searching to secure desirable areas of Queensland to operate in, before a responsible National Aviation Policy matures. Learn from Parafield, Moorabbin, Jandakot, Archerfield &amp; Townsville to be, Coloundra etc – </p>
<p>As Maryborough Council owns its airfield, the Councillors could not get insurance to indemnify themselves for the adverse consequences that WOULD occur if they went ahead with the mass flight training proposal. Thats why its complex, FTG wont take the rap.</p>
<p>In your header paragraph you claim these flying schools are professionally run, yes, by highly paid: Commerce Lawyers; Public Relations experts; so called ‘independent’ Environmental Consultants etc. This will be at the expense of the average Maryborough Resident’s amenity, health, while they remain polluted and impoverished. It’s undemocratic and imperialistic, benefiting a few.</p>
<p>Interested about more Flight Training Group spin at Parafield? It’s the same Chinese HK tax-haven based mob running Flight Training Queensland. Similar structured organisations are popping up all over the popular parts of this country. Convenient attractive regions offering ‘lifestyle’ is what these loophole seeking carpetbaggers seek for their lucrative temporary clients, leaving locals polluted for decades. If they propose operating near you, you ought to fully inform all those effected, but how do you find the truth? Sometimes its not obvious, but below is a typical example how this form of aviation ‘consults’ locals.</p>
<p>You may be interested to know that Flight Training Group have been flying faulty aircraft, flown by novices, over well established suburbs now for over two years – but that is not easily found in publicly available documents.</p>
<p>Please refer to a link below about the faulty Diamond aircraft:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.recreationalflying.com.au/forum/aviation-news/40742-flight-school-planes-mid-air-failures.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.recreationalflying.com.au/forum/aviation-news/40742-flight-school-planes-mid-air-failures.html</a></p>
<p>This article was also published in Adelaide’s Sunday Mail, 28June2009. Then it was removed from their web site, about a week after publication, but before certain critical comments got posted. Here is a mirror copy of that published article:</p>
<p><a href="http://3840099038536894731-a-1802744773732722657-s-sites.googlegroups.com/site/parafieldcoverup/parafield-coverup/AdelaideNow___Flightschoolplanes%27mid-airfailuresoverAdelaide.mht?attredirects=0&#038;auth=ANoY7cqauLySpmA7kxxxWDNiOJYwCW6hIChochVSERupA9CMZghFFZkJoX5d_9z8PP0tTB0MgAeZxlfPwlVKHxsc4zeWLvnpeOl0xgZfXx5WLGUIyqfqHGAR9gmBQRunHAet2ly7hbOY-9yxvfZkJp97Gi_Fy_IyND-S0ZjZWgRsbJnaOiMDOCHwwRTB_xSLhCWx7EUyMcgqN-7nJtbahlFlr91A4pLTHsM5f30WPEc2jJfpdRE7hxKQGAS4oKeCTvncRmb2yFOgMTkArLQPp6y1w2ZKAS3ej9bUYw34vyzBmJ8fLg6yem4%3D" rel="nofollow">http://3840099038536894731-a-1802744773732722657-s-sites.googlegroups.com/site/parafieldcoverup/parafield-coverup/AdelaideNow___Flightschoolplanes%27mid-airfailuresoverAdelaide.mht?attredirects=0&#038;auth=ANoY7cqauLySpmA7kxxxWDNiOJYwCW6hIChochVSERupA9CMZghFFZkJoX5d_9z8PP0tTB0MgAeZxlfPwlVKHxsc4zeWLvnpeOl0xgZfXx5WLGUIyqfqHGAR9gmBQRunHAet2ly7hbOY-9yxvfZkJp97Gi_Fy_IyND-S0ZjZWgRsbJnaOiMDOCHwwRTB_xSLhCWx7EUyMcgqN-7nJtbahlFlr91A4pLTHsM5f30WPEc2jJfpdRE7hxKQGAS4oKeCTvncRmb2yFOgMTkArLQPp6y1w2ZKAS3ej9bUYw34vyzBmJ8fLg6yem4%3D</a></p>
<p>A fleet of these ‘unproven’ aircraft have been used extensively over surrounding Parafield suburbs since about April 2007. Stalling and sputtering engine sounds over housing were commonplace. Pro-aviation spin doctors managed to get this article linked below in our local paper, claiming how much fun it is to practice flying emergencies, e.g. page 7 of:</p>
<p><a href="http://5628246579836699463-a-1802744773732722657-s-sites.googlegroups.com/site/parafieldairport/Home/newspaper-clippings-1/ParafieldAirportNewspaperSamplesfor2008.pdf?attredirects=0&#038;auth=ANoY7cru1PoBrTLPTd8sZNW_PNtFT2-BOH1hwI_U6ASuDrImgkNkvUudttgtcgAc8csnkK__NcoKb89eANLmJ0QjE_-zuzg1_GW5bVIPZDffQa3ewSsNmct-LiaB1EbbUXvVmD_m7XKqDuOqrIMTJU-GpoixfFJWv9Xozyv-sEb7Saw9IutqcZjMP4Me4o2WQyRn8kYRTU3yEJibDjuYrGrTRQ1ErJh4H7tLFPUtFFXhhRznNwlwAKM3JLmaFllIZYkiuoUOkJzhTUomhbw3QUQcegO63FDhrw%3D%3D" rel="nofollow">http://5628246579836699463-a-1802744773732722657-s-sites.googlegroups.com/site/parafieldairport/Home/newspaper-clippings-1/ParafieldAirportNewspaperSamplesfor2008.pdf?attredirects=0&#038;auth=ANoY7cru1PoBrTLPTd8sZNW_PNtFT2-BOH1hwI_U6ASuDrImgkNkvUudttgtcgAc8csnkK__NcoKb89eANLmJ0QjE_-zuzg1_GW5bVIPZDffQa3ewSsNmct-LiaB1EbbUXvVmD_m7XKqDuOqrIMTJU-GpoixfFJWv9Xozyv-sEb7Saw9IutqcZjMP4Me4o2WQyRn8kYRTU3yEJibDjuYrGrTRQ1ErJh4H7tLFPUtFFXhhRznNwlwAKM3JLmaFllIZYkiuoUOkJzhTUomhbw3QUQcegO63FDhrw%3D%3D</a></p>
<p>As the CEO of the Chinese owned Flight Training Group, Keith Morgan would have known about these unresolved aircraft problems at the time he was spruiking the so called benefits of mass foreign flight training extensively polluting half of residential Maryborough ¬mid 2008. ‘Business as usual’ at Parafield – All of Sunday, 5July 2009 there was not 10 minutes peace without a training or recreational over flight polluting vast suburban areas within the uncontrolled airspace around Parafield. The following Monday 6July 2009, there was 50 to 100 overflights per hour, for approximately 12 hours till ¬9:30PM! This can continue all days throughout the week, over the same thousands of homes. That’s not one every five minutes, I do not know where that idea comes from. It takes about 5 minutes to fly a circuit, but they often put up 6 or more aircraft doing the same circuit, at the same time!</p>
<p>Little wonder the same people complain, most give up. Disgusting, and another reason South Australian and Federal Government Departments need an ICAC.</p>
<p>Oh, and would you like to be reminded what low flying ‘light aircraft’ training sounds like, 4kilometers obtuse from the runway, in a typical backyard, here is a 80+ decibel sample, have a listen to recording V0924012 on this web page here:</p>
<p><a href="http://sites.google.com/site/parafieldairportnoisepollution/9-11---2008-parafield---a-typical-days-flight-training/morning-gory" rel="nofollow">http://sites.google.com/site/parafieldairportnoisepollution/9-11&#8212;2008-parafield&#8212;a-typical-days-flight-training/morning-gory</a></p>
<p>The newer so called quiet planes are hardly perceivable claimed 2-3decibels less noise, but of a more thrashing quality.</p>
<p>Absolutely sickening, a lot more annoying per decibel than jet aircraft, relentless, and the only guarantee to be spared is stormy weather. Anyone believing these to be ‘quiet little birds’ must be deaf, or a twit. This rot is supported by Federal Departments of Transport (which run Airservices Australia), Foreign Affairs and Trade, irresponsible State Governments and spun media. I hope this helps a better understanding what your Council needs to deal with. </p>
<p>p.s. if links fail, <a href="mailto:stopparafieldairnoise@hotmail.com">stopparafieldairnoise@hotmail.com</a>  will send you the files…</p>
<p>Please take heed, I’ve given up all thoughts retiring to Qld before I can guarantee protection from this rot pushed by government.</p>
<p>Regards SPAN &#8211; DeVrei</p>
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