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		<title>By: Judith &#38; Alan Gensch</title>
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		<dc:creator>Judith &#38; Alan Gensch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Mar 2012 06:04:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Right from the time our three boys were small, they were given a flouride tablet with their milk daily.  All three have strong, white teeth (and they are now in their mid to late 30s).  We would prefer to see mass fluoridation scrapped, and replaced with the daily tablet by those parents who choose to do so.  Every new system introduced has a cost to the local councils, and this has to be shared across the community.  We believe that fluoride is not needed once children reach their teens, and certainly the benefit to adults would be minimal, particularly if they have neglected good dental hygeine.  Surely caring parents should be responsible for their child&#039;s general health, as let&#039;s face it, dental and medical expenses can prove an enormous budget hole if basic tasks are neglected.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right from the time our three boys were small, they were given a flouride tablet with their milk daily.  All three have strong, white teeth (and they are now in their mid to late 30s).  We would prefer to see mass fluoridation scrapped, and replaced with the daily tablet by those parents who choose to do so.  Every new system introduced has a cost to the local councils, and this has to be shared across the community.  We believe that fluoride is not needed once children reach their teens, and certainly the benefit to adults would be minimal, particularly if they have neglected good dental hygeine.  Surely caring parents should be responsible for their child&#8217;s general health, as let&#8217;s face it, dental and medical expenses can prove an enormous budget hole if basic tasks are neglected.</p>
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		<title>By: Sue</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jun 2011 04:57:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you go to this site : http://www.breatheeasy.com.au/fluoride_mandate.html - there are mandate forms there that can be completed and sent to the Qld Govt (all info is on that site). There was apparently a successful mandate in one town in Victoria (the town where Australian produced fluoride comes from). 

A mandate is an order from the people to the government - the government are the servants of the people and not the other way around - it is apparently in our Australian consitution. 

The introduction of fluoride is mass medication and I know that for myself with thyroid disease and regard for my health, I will not be consuming any town water which does make life a bit more of a challenge.

My hubby and I have sent off out mandate forms and I suggest that anyone else concerned about this should do the same.

Sue</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you go to this site : <a href="http://www.breatheeasy.com.au/fluoride_mandate.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.breatheeasy.com.au/fluoride_mandate.html</a> &#8211; there are mandate forms there that can be completed and sent to the Qld Govt (all info is on that site). There was apparently a successful mandate in one town in Victoria (the town where Australian produced fluoride comes from). </p>
<p>A mandate is an order from the people to the government &#8211; the government are the servants of the people and not the other way around &#8211; it is apparently in our Australian consitution. </p>
<p>The introduction of fluoride is mass medication and I know that for myself with thyroid disease and regard for my health, I will not be consuming any town water which does make life a bit more of a challenge.</p>
<p>My hubby and I have sent off out mandate forms and I suggest that anyone else concerned about this should do the same.</p>
<p>Sue</p>
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		<title>By: StewartG</title>
		<link>http://suebrooks.com.au/2009/fluoride-must-we-drink-it/comment-page-1/#comment-1830</link>
		<dc:creator>StewartG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Feb 2011 00:56:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with practically everything written on this current blog against the mass medication of Fraser Coast residents with fluoride. But there is one thing that (most) people have missed completely. The fluoride that we will be getting isn&#039;t sodium fluoride nor is it calcium fluoride. It is fluorosilicic acid. Sodium fluoride is to expensive for mass mediaction. Fluorosilicic acid is a waste product of aluminium smelting and superphosphate (fertiliser) production.

As mentioned earlier, this toxic waste, in liquid form, is tankered in rubber-lined tankers because it eventually eats it&#039;s way through stainless steel. When workers handle the powdered form, they have to dress in protective clothing, masks and respirators to prevent contact, inhalation or ingestion of the stuff.

Most of this waste comes from Geelong in Victoria from the Insitec or Alcoa plants there but I believe (from hearsay) that our waste comes from China - because it is cheaper still.

I can&#039;t believe that we have to pay (and we will have to pay) for someone else&#039;s toxic waste to put into our water supply. This is a toxic waste that these companies would have enormous difficulty and cost to dispose of in any other way. They must be rubbing their hands together with glee.

Now here is the clincher. Because it is a toxic waste product with no further processing, it also carries with it a number of heavy metals and elements such as mercury, arsenic, chromium, zinc, nickel, aluminium, iodine and manganese. This information is from actual certificates of analysis from Incitec Pivot and I would suspect that the Chinese sourced product would contain as much, if not more of these contaminants.

Surely we can take out an injunction to stop toxic waste products from being dumped into our drinking water.

As also mentioned earlier, most filters won&#039;t take out fluoride as it is soluble. You need an expensive reverse-osmosis unit. 

For further information on fluoridation of Australian drinking water see the following website: http://www.firewaterfilm.com

Sue, what can we do before it is all too late? And it is NEVER too late...

Stewart</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with practically everything written on this current blog against the mass medication of Fraser Coast residents with fluoride. But there is one thing that (most) people have missed completely. The fluoride that we will be getting isn&#8217;t sodium fluoride nor is it calcium fluoride. It is fluorosilicic acid. Sodium fluoride is to expensive for mass mediaction. Fluorosilicic acid is a waste product of aluminium smelting and superphosphate (fertiliser) production.</p>
<p>As mentioned earlier, this toxic waste, in liquid form, is tankered in rubber-lined tankers because it eventually eats it&#8217;s way through stainless steel. When workers handle the powdered form, they have to dress in protective clothing, masks and respirators to prevent contact, inhalation or ingestion of the stuff.</p>
<p>Most of this waste comes from Geelong in Victoria from the Insitec or Alcoa plants there but I believe (from hearsay) that our waste comes from China &#8211; because it is cheaper still.</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t believe that we have to pay (and we will have to pay) for someone else&#8217;s toxic waste to put into our water supply. This is a toxic waste that these companies would have enormous difficulty and cost to dispose of in any other way. They must be rubbing their hands together with glee.</p>
<p>Now here is the clincher. Because it is a toxic waste product with no further processing, it also carries with it a number of heavy metals and elements such as mercury, arsenic, chromium, zinc, nickel, aluminium, iodine and manganese. This information is from actual certificates of analysis from Incitec Pivot and I would suspect that the Chinese sourced product would contain as much, if not more of these contaminants.</p>
<p>Surely we can take out an injunction to stop toxic waste products from being dumped into our drinking water.</p>
<p>As also mentioned earlier, most filters won&#8217;t take out fluoride as it is soluble. You need an expensive reverse-osmosis unit. </p>
<p>For further information on fluoridation of Australian drinking water see the following website: <a href="http://www.firewaterfilm.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.firewaterfilm.com</a></p>
<p>Sue, what can we do before it is all too late? And it is NEVER too late&#8230;</p>
<p>Stewart</p>
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		<title>By: Neil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Oct 2010 04:25:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Quote: &quot;Calcium fluoride does &amp; is good for us&quot; by Nofl.

No fluoride or fluorine compound whether naturally occurring or man made is good for human consumption.

As for these quotes by Ertl - 

&quot;As for the dumbing down things you all seem to think is true, you are wrong. New Zealand has had fluride in their water for years! And annual studies have shown that the children in Australia have lower grades than children in New Zealand.&quot;

Ertl what parts of NZ are fluoridated &amp; what parts are not? 

From NZ Govt website:

Fluoridation in New Zealand
www.moh.govt.nz/fluoride

&quot;Fluoride is a natural element found in air, soil, fresh water, seawater, plants and lots of foods.
The most widely known and used topical fluorides are incorporated into toothpastes.
Fluoride works in three ways to help protect our teeth from decay:
* Fluoride makes teeth more resistant to decay by strengthening the tooth surface.
* Fluoride interferes with the growth of the bacteria which cause cavities.
* Fluoride helps to repair the early stages of tooth decay.&quot; 

That is the greatest pack of lies ever told. 
As for this gem -

&quot;Also, do you really think the government would really put a dangerous substance in drinking water if they didn’t know that the amounts they put in were safe.&quot;

Ertl that&#039;s the propaganda believing, blind freddy sheep following mentality that the authorities want so they can force this poison on us or keep forcing it on those who have had it for years.

What part of &quot;Fluoride is harmful to us no matter how little they put in the water&quot; .. don&#039;t you understand?

Also Ertl once this toxin is in the water supply the dosage per individual cannot be controlled because individuals drink more or less water than others &amp; it will be in everything we eat &amp; drink do to the use of water in some form or other for cooking, manufacturing etc. It will also be absorbed through your skin when you bathe/shower.

The first township that fluoridated it&#039;s water supply in the USA over 50 years ago - Grand Rapids in Michigan has now ceased doing it because they have realised that it has no significant benefit in preventing dental caries.

I believe that if our Council &amp; Councilors truly represent us &amp; believe that forced fluoridation of our water is undemocratic/ unconstitutional then the people of this region should be given a vote on the issue. If the majority vote &quot;NO&quot; then we as a region should stand up to the Govt. &amp; refuse to have this toxin in our water regardless of the legislation. They can&#039;t throw us all in jail.

It also pays to remember that fluoride is accumulative &amp; all the water the comes through our households that goes down the sewer to the treatment works ends up in the river.

That then ends up accumulating in the fish &amp; other seafood products we eat.
So now we add Fluoride to the list of poisonous chemicals &amp; heavy metals that can be found in seafoods like mercury,cadmium,lead, DDT&#039;s, PCB&#039;s etc. All deadly &amp; all accumulative.

Wakeup Australians this draconian scam has to be stopped.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quote: &#8220;Calcium fluoride does &amp; is good for us&#8221; by Nofl.</p>
<p>No fluoride or fluorine compound whether naturally occurring or man made is good for human consumption.</p>
<p>As for these quotes by Ertl &#8211; </p>
<p>&#8220;As for the dumbing down things you all seem to think is true, you are wrong. New Zealand has had fluride in their water for years! And annual studies have shown that the children in Australia have lower grades than children in New Zealand.&#8221;</p>
<p>Ertl what parts of NZ are fluoridated &amp; what parts are not? </p>
<p>From NZ Govt website:</p>
<p>Fluoridation in New Zealand<br />
<a href="http://www.moh.govt.nz/fluoride" rel="nofollow">http://www.moh.govt.nz/fluoride</a></p>
<p>&#8220;Fluoride is a natural element found in air, soil, fresh water, seawater, plants and lots of foods.<br />
The most widely known and used topical fluorides are incorporated into toothpastes.<br />
Fluoride works in three ways to help protect our teeth from decay:<br />
* Fluoride makes teeth more resistant to decay by strengthening the tooth surface.<br />
* Fluoride interferes with the growth of the bacteria which cause cavities.<br />
* Fluoride helps to repair the early stages of tooth decay.&#8221; </p>
<p>That is the greatest pack of lies ever told.<br />
As for this gem -</p>
<p>&#8220;Also, do you really think the government would really put a dangerous substance in drinking water if they didn’t know that the amounts they put in were safe.&#8221;</p>
<p>Ertl that&#8217;s the propaganda believing, blind freddy sheep following mentality that the authorities want so they can force this poison on us or keep forcing it on those who have had it for years.</p>
<p>What part of &#8220;Fluoride is harmful to us no matter how little they put in the water&#8221; .. don&#8217;t you understand?</p>
<p>Also Ertl once this toxin is in the water supply the dosage per individual cannot be controlled because individuals drink more or less water than others &amp; it will be in everything we eat &amp; drink do to the use of water in some form or other for cooking, manufacturing etc. It will also be absorbed through your skin when you bathe/shower.</p>
<p>The first township that fluoridated it&#8217;s water supply in the USA over 50 years ago &#8211; Grand Rapids in Michigan has now ceased doing it because they have realised that it has no significant benefit in preventing dental caries.</p>
<p>I believe that if our Council &amp; Councilors truly represent us &amp; believe that forced fluoridation of our water is undemocratic/ unconstitutional then the people of this region should be given a vote on the issue. If the majority vote &#8220;NO&#8221; then we as a region should stand up to the Govt. &amp; refuse to have this toxin in our water regardless of the legislation. They can&#8217;t throw us all in jail.</p>
<p>It also pays to remember that fluoride is accumulative &amp; all the water the comes through our households that goes down the sewer to the treatment works ends up in the river.</p>
<p>That then ends up accumulating in the fish &amp; other seafood products we eat.<br />
So now we add Fluoride to the list of poisonous chemicals &amp; heavy metals that can be found in seafoods like mercury,cadmium,lead, DDT&#8217;s, PCB&#8217;s etc. All deadly &amp; all accumulative.</p>
<p>Wakeup Australians this draconian scam has to be stopped.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Evans</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Evans</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 05:21:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Greetings,
The arguments re water flouridation have been around for over 50 years.I don&#039;t want to spend my hard earned money paying for the poison in my water.It certainly will not help my false teeth! Let Council conduct a referendum when the next election is held and see what the majority of ratepayers want.Better still, get rid of all the chemicals in the junk food kids are eating.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greetings,<br />
The arguments re water flouridation have been around for over 50 years.I don&#8217;t want to spend my hard earned money paying for the poison in my water.It certainly will not help my false teeth! Let Council conduct a referendum when the next election is held and see what the majority of ratepayers want.Better still, get rid of all the chemicals in the junk food kids are eating.</p>
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		<title>By: Ertle*</title>
		<link>http://suebrooks.com.au/2009/fluoride-must-we-drink-it/comment-page-1/#comment-726</link>
		<dc:creator>Ertle*</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 17:16:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To all,
Queenslanders, and the rest of the world are always ingesting poison. Check this website out:
http://thebeautybrains.com/2008/09/27/naturally-nasty-the-top-10-natural-ingredients-you-need-to-avoid/
Those are just a few of the daily, common poisons.

As for the dumbing down thing you all seem to think is true, you are wrong. New Zealand has had fluride in their water for years! And annual studies have shown that the children in Australia have lower grades than children in New Zealand. Just so you know, they get the same tests that we do.

Also, do you really think the government would really put a dangerous substance in drinking water if they didn&#039;t know that the amounts they put in were safe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To all,<br />
Queenslanders, and the rest of the world are always ingesting poison. Check this website out:<br />
<a href="http://thebeautybrains.com/2008/09/27/naturally-nasty-the-top-10-natural-ingredients-you-need-to-avoid/" rel="nofollow">http://thebeautybrains.com/2008/09/27/naturally-nasty-the-top-10-natural-ingredients-you-need-to-avoid/</a><br />
Those are just a few of the daily, common poisons.</p>
<p>As for the dumbing down thing you all seem to think is true, you are wrong. New Zealand has had fluride in their water for years! And annual studies have shown that the children in Australia have lower grades than children in New Zealand. Just so you know, they get the same tests that we do.</p>
<p>Also, do you really think the government would really put a dangerous substance in drinking water if they didn&#8217;t know that the amounts they put in were safe.</p>
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		<title>By: Rita Downey</title>
		<link>http://suebrooks.com.au/2009/fluoride-must-we-drink-it/comment-page-1/#comment-663</link>
		<dc:creator>Rita Downey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2009 04:13:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good afternoon Sue,
I really feel strongly about it now since I&#039;ve been affected by it, and DO NOT choose to have fluoride in drinking water. Once we&#039;ve moved to Hervey Bay I&#039;d like to join your campaign against fluoride and make other residents and the council aware that it&#039;s not beneficial to our health. Nobody should be forced to drink water with added fluoride! 
If Hervey Bay residents are predominantly against it, then the councillors, and the council should listen as well as Premier Bligh. That&#039;s DEMOCRACY, and Australia&#039;s a democratic country!
The risks outway the benefits.
Rita</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good afternoon Sue,<br />
I really feel strongly about it now since I&#8217;ve been affected by it, and DO NOT choose to have fluoride in drinking water. Once we&#8217;ve moved to Hervey Bay I&#8217;d like to join your campaign against fluoride and make other residents and the council aware that it&#8217;s not beneficial to our health. Nobody should be forced to drink water with added fluoride!<br />
If Hervey Bay residents are predominantly against it, then the councillors, and the council should listen as well as Premier Bligh. That&#8217;s DEMOCRACY, and Australia&#8217;s a democratic country!<br />
The risks outway the benefits.<br />
Rita</p>
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		<title>By: Sadman</title>
		<link>http://suebrooks.com.au/2009/fluoride-must-we-drink-it/comment-page-1/#comment-662</link>
		<dc:creator>Sadman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 20:38:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good morning Sue,

Let&#039;s show some leadership on the Fraser Coast.
The FCRC should seek the views of it&#039;s residents
on Flouride. If people in this region are predominately
opposed to fluoridation of our water. Council should
so NO and advise Premier Bligh of the reason.

Democracy is about the wants and needs of the
people. Councillors are supposed th be representing us.

Or is DEMOCRACY just a word?

Sadman</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good morning Sue,</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s show some leadership on the Fraser Coast.<br />
The FCRC should seek the views of it&#8217;s residents<br />
on Flouride. If people in this region are predominately<br />
opposed to fluoridation of our water. Council should<br />
so NO and advise Premier Bligh of the reason.</p>
<p>Democracy is about the wants and needs of the<br />
people. Councillors are supposed th be representing us.</p>
<p>Or is DEMOCRACY just a word?</p>
<p>Sadman</p>
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		<title>By: sue</title>
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		<dc:creator>sue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 08:38:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m sad to say that the Queensland State Government has legislated to ensure thatevery Council in Queensland  introduces Fluoride. The Fraser Coast Regional Council will be introducing fluoride to our water supply in the future as directed by the State Government.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sad to say that the Queensland State Government has legislated to ensure thatevery Council in Queensland  introduces Fluoride. The Fraser Coast Regional Council will be introducing fluoride to our water supply in the future as directed by the State Government.</p>
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		<title>By: Rita Downey</title>
		<link>http://suebrooks.com.au/2009/fluoride-must-we-drink-it/comment-page-1/#comment-660</link>
		<dc:creator>Rita Downey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 04:52:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We&#039;re moving to Hervey Bay from the area which has been affected by this latest QLD fluoride overdose. Both my husband and myself still have symptoms about a fortnight after it flowed through our pipes. 
It&#039;s appalling and foolish to think fluoride is safe and doesn&#039;t cause any health problems or risks now or in the future.  We should have a choice to say that we don&#039;t want this in our area - I don&#039;t like mass-medication. We&#039;ve a choice if we think we need fluoride to use fluoride toothpaste/mouthwash or other things to keep our teeth healthy. It&#039;s just too much of a risk to take. I do hope that Hervey Bay area will never say &#039;yes&#039; to fluoride in drinking water.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We&#8217;re moving to Hervey Bay from the area which has been affected by this latest QLD fluoride overdose. Both my husband and myself still have symptoms about a fortnight after it flowed through our pipes.<br />
It&#8217;s appalling and foolish to think fluoride is safe and doesn&#8217;t cause any health problems or risks now or in the future.  We should have a choice to say that we don&#8217;t want this in our area &#8211; I don&#8217;t like mass-medication. We&#8217;ve a choice if we think we need fluoride to use fluoride toothpaste/mouthwash or other things to keep our teeth healthy. It&#8217;s just too much of a risk to take. I do hope that Hervey Bay area will never say &#8216;yes&#8217; to fluoride in drinking water.</p>
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