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		<title>By: Paul Evans</title>
		<link>http://suebrooks.com.au/2009/fluoride-must-we-drink-it/comment-page-1/#comment-909</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Evans</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 05:21:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Greetings,
The arguments re water flouridation have been around for over 50 years.I don&#039;t want to spend my hard earned money paying for the poison in my water.It certainly will not help my false teeth! Let Council conduct a referendum when the next election is held and see what the majority of ratepayers want.Better still, get rid of all the chemicals in the junk food kids are eating.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greetings,<br />
The arguments re water flouridation have been around for over 50 years.I don&#8217;t want to spend my hard earned money paying for the poison in my water.It certainly will not help my false teeth! Let Council conduct a referendum when the next election is held and see what the majority of ratepayers want.Better still, get rid of all the chemicals in the junk food kids are eating.</p>
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		<title>By: Ertle*</title>
		<link>http://suebrooks.com.au/2009/fluoride-must-we-drink-it/comment-page-1/#comment-726</link>
		<dc:creator>Ertle*</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 17:16:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To all,
Queenslanders, and the rest of the world are always ingesting poison. Check this website out:
http://thebeautybrains.com/2008/09/27/naturally-nasty-the-top-10-natural-ingredients-you-need-to-avoid/
Those are just a few of the daily, common poisons.

As for the dumbing down thing you all seem to think is true, you are wrong. New Zealand has had fluride in their water for years! And annual studies have shown that the children in Australia have lower grades than children in New Zealand. Just so you know, they get the same tests that we do.

Also, do you really think the government would really put a dangerous substance in drinking water if they didn&#039;t know that the amounts they put in were safe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To all,<br />
Queenslanders, and the rest of the world are always ingesting poison. Check this website out:<br />
<a href="http://thebeautybrains.com/2008/09/27/naturally-nasty-the-top-10-natural-ingredients-you-need-to-avoid/" rel="nofollow">http://thebeautybrains.com/2008/09/27/naturally-nasty-the-top-10-natural-ingredients-you-need-to-avoid/</a><br />
Those are just a few of the daily, common poisons.</p>
<p>As for the dumbing down thing you all seem to think is true, you are wrong. New Zealand has had fluride in their water for years! And annual studies have shown that the children in Australia have lower grades than children in New Zealand. Just so you know, they get the same tests that we do.</p>
<p>Also, do you really think the government would really put a dangerous substance in drinking water if they didn&#8217;t know that the amounts they put in were safe.</p>
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		<title>By: Rita Downey</title>
		<link>http://suebrooks.com.au/2009/fluoride-must-we-drink-it/comment-page-1/#comment-663</link>
		<dc:creator>Rita Downey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2009 04:13:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good afternoon Sue,
I really feel strongly about it now since I&#039;ve been affected by it, and DO NOT choose to have fluoride in drinking water. Once we&#039;ve moved to Hervey Bay I&#039;d like to join your campaign against fluoride and make other residents and the council aware that it&#039;s not beneficial to our health. Nobody should be forced to drink water with added fluoride! 
If Hervey Bay residents are predominantly against it, then the councillors, and the council should listen as well as Premier Bligh. That&#039;s DEMOCRACY, and Australia&#039;s a democratic country!
The risks outway the benefits.
Rita</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good afternoon Sue,<br />
I really feel strongly about it now since I&#8217;ve been affected by it, and DO NOT choose to have fluoride in drinking water. Once we&#8217;ve moved to Hervey Bay I&#8217;d like to join your campaign against fluoride and make other residents and the council aware that it&#8217;s not beneficial to our health. Nobody should be forced to drink water with added fluoride!<br />
If Hervey Bay residents are predominantly against it, then the councillors, and the council should listen as well as Premier Bligh. That&#8217;s DEMOCRACY, and Australia&#8217;s a democratic country!<br />
The risks outway the benefits.<br />
Rita</p>
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		<title>By: Sadman</title>
		<link>http://suebrooks.com.au/2009/fluoride-must-we-drink-it/comment-page-1/#comment-662</link>
		<dc:creator>Sadman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 20:38:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good morning Sue,

Let&#039;s show some leadership on the Fraser Coast.
The FCRC should seek the views of it&#039;s residents
on Flouride. If people in this region are predominately
opposed to fluoridation of our water. Council should
so NO and advise Premier Bligh of the reason.

Democracy is about the wants and needs of the
people. Councillors are supposed th be representing us.

Or is DEMOCRACY just a word?

Sadman</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good morning Sue,</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s show some leadership on the Fraser Coast.<br />
The FCRC should seek the views of it&#8217;s residents<br />
on Flouride. If people in this region are predominately<br />
opposed to fluoridation of our water. Council should<br />
so NO and advise Premier Bligh of the reason.</p>
<p>Democracy is about the wants and needs of the<br />
people. Councillors are supposed th be representing us.</p>
<p>Or is DEMOCRACY just a word?</p>
<p>Sadman</p>
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		<title>By: sue</title>
		<link>http://suebrooks.com.au/2009/fluoride-must-we-drink-it/comment-page-1/#comment-661</link>
		<dc:creator>sue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 08:38:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m sad to say that the Queensland State Government has legislated to ensure thatevery Council in Queensland  introduces Fluoride. The Fraser Coast Regional Council will be introducing fluoride to our water supply in the future as directed by the State Government.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sad to say that the Queensland State Government has legislated to ensure thatevery Council in Queensland  introduces Fluoride. The Fraser Coast Regional Council will be introducing fluoride to our water supply in the future as directed by the State Government.</p>
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		<title>By: Rita Downey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rita Downey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 04:52:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We&#039;re moving to Hervey Bay from the area which has been affected by this latest QLD fluoride overdose. Both my husband and myself still have symptoms about a fortnight after it flowed through our pipes. 
It&#039;s appalling and foolish to think fluoride is safe and doesn&#039;t cause any health problems or risks now or in the future.  We should have a choice to say that we don&#039;t want this in our area - I don&#039;t like mass-medication. We&#039;ve a choice if we think we need fluoride to use fluoride toothpaste/mouthwash or other things to keep our teeth healthy. It&#039;s just too much of a risk to take. I do hope that Hervey Bay area will never say &#039;yes&#039; to fluoride in drinking water.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We&#8217;re moving to Hervey Bay from the area which has been affected by this latest QLD fluoride overdose. Both my husband and myself still have symptoms about a fortnight after it flowed through our pipes.<br />
It&#8217;s appalling and foolish to think fluoride is safe and doesn&#8217;t cause any health problems or risks now or in the future.  We should have a choice to say that we don&#8217;t want this in our area &#8211; I don&#8217;t like mass-medication. We&#8217;ve a choice if we think we need fluoride to use fluoride toothpaste/mouthwash or other things to keep our teeth healthy. It&#8217;s just too much of a risk to take. I do hope that Hervey Bay area will never say &#8216;yes&#8217; to fluoride in drinking water.</p>
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		<title>By: paulmack</title>
		<link>http://suebrooks.com.au/2009/fluoride-must-we-drink-it/comment-page-1/#comment-591</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Mar 2009 22:14:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Guys, it’s a bit late - tell the toothpaste manufacturers as well!

Too bad for America because of people like you.
whats too late is our salvation because of fluoridated brains like yours;
looks like your attitude proves the point of the dumbing down of people
who ingest toxic substances.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Guys, it’s a bit late &#8211; tell the toothpaste manufacturers as well!</p>
<p>Too bad for America because of people like you.<br />
whats too late is our salvation because of fluoridated brains like yours;<br />
looks like your attitude proves the point of the dumbing down of people<br />
who ingest toxic substances.</p>
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		<title>By: Cliff Greet</title>
		<link>http://suebrooks.com.au/2009/fluoride-must-we-drink-it/comment-page-1/#comment-576</link>
		<dc:creator>Cliff Greet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2009 05:26:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Guys, it&#039;s a bit late - tell the toothpaste manufacturers as well!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Guys, it&#8217;s a bit late &#8211; tell the toothpaste manufacturers as well!</p>
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		<title>By: paulmack</title>
		<link>http://suebrooks.com.au/2009/fluoride-must-we-drink-it/comment-page-1/#comment-570</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Mar 2009 18:34:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fluoride is a toxin: period. it is not supposed to be ingested at all in the human body; even natural fluoride. Natural fluoride is an abberation of nature. just because nature produces something doesnt mean that its good for you. Arsneic is natural it is not good for you. no not even in small doses is natural fluoride good either.

It is a waste product of 1) aluminum smeltering 2) phosphate fertilizer production. Fluoride is a medicine, and it is used therefore in mass medicating all water drinking species which means everything
that lives and breathes including the plants we eat; vegetables, fruits etc., are all watered with fluoride...including fish animals and humans.

Rat poison is found in almost every pesticide and rat poison. Where are the liberals banning this substance for its cruelty to animals and humans &gt; naturally they&#039;re selective in what they want to ban, and liberals often ban the wrong thing for all the wrong reasons, and fluoride is liberal because it is a utilitarian concept meaning &quot; for the good of all,&#039; and &quot;one size fits all,&quot; is usually a liberal/communist ideology.
For instance Liberal  govt.  banned bottled water in San Francisco because it was taking the monies away from the govt through the water municipalities. Everyone knows that taxes are the lifeblood of democrats, and having the population all gravitate toward bottled water could not be tolerated because it was cutting into the govts 
tax base ! hence democrats shot themselves in the foot just being democrats as they geared toward the natural way of water drinking !

Fluoride found in nature is usually found with calcium and its known as Calcium fluoride = CaF2. This propels the pro argument for fluoride by its proponents, but fluoride in nature means nothing special it means the same thing as supporting the argment for poisonous mushrooms or arsenic or even poison ivey ! Fluoride is in pop you drink, any bottled drink for that matter. fluoride is a health hazzard as it leaches calcium 
from the body as it is found in nature attached to calcium, so it attaches to the bones and teeth in the body and&#039; leeches it out of the body and causes mass tooth decay as well as an uncontrollable osteoparosis in humans but particularly in women in mid life especially.

in the 50&#039;s and 60&#039;s when fluoride was put into the water and toothpaste, the toothpaste tubes were made of aluminum (courtesy of the main supplier of aluminum and fluoride: ALCOA) you could find silver substance coming out onto your toothpaste from the bottle and it was scary. This was because fluoride is so acidic that it leeched the metal
from the aluminum tube as you squeezed out your toothpaste onto your toothbrush ! since they use plastic tubes to stop that.
Fluoride is so acidic that it is carried in specially rubberized lined tankers because it would eat right through the metal of the tanker that carries it to the water supplies !
The dictionary (any dictionary) defines fluorine as: &quot;the most toxic corrosive poisonous halogen (meaning unstable) element known
to man. how about that for being &#039;safe and effective&quot; against tooth decay?
So someone please tell me just how this definition of the most dangerous toxin known to man suddenly translates to being &#039;safe
and effective&quot; against tooth decay ! I&#039;d be interested in just how this transition occurs.

No not even small doses is safe even at the .001 ppm that the govt qualifies it in the industrial drinking supplies. This is because fluoride not being a natural substance to the human body, is accumulative so drinking a saffe amount deemed by govt in drinking water, eventually becomes toxic because fluoride is added to everything you drink including soups, juices pop and even in the OJ you squeeze yourself because plants like oranges absorb it from the soil !

There are two important books out on the issue of fluoridation. One book is out of print now but maybe can be found in your public library called &quot;Fluoridation the great dilemma&quot; written by allergist George Walbott MD in approx 1969 i think... The other is more recent written in the 90&#039;s i believe called: Fluoride the aging factor&quot; by John Yimmanous  (check spelling). Both books are totally comprehensive studies on fluoride and its effect on health, and shows just how damaging and dangerous it is to us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fluoride is a toxin: period. it is not supposed to be ingested at all in the human body; even natural fluoride. Natural fluoride is an abberation of nature. just because nature produces something doesnt mean that its good for you. Arsneic is natural it is not good for you. no not even in small doses is natural fluoride good either.</p>
<p>It is a waste product of 1) aluminum smeltering 2) phosphate fertilizer production. Fluoride is a medicine, and it is used therefore in mass medicating all water drinking species which means everything<br />
that lives and breathes including the plants we eat; vegetables, fruits etc., are all watered with fluoride&#8230;including fish animals and humans.</p>
<p>Rat poison is found in almost every pesticide and rat poison. Where are the liberals banning this substance for its cruelty to animals and humans &gt; naturally they&#8217;re selective in what they want to ban, and liberals often ban the wrong thing for all the wrong reasons, and fluoride is liberal because it is a utilitarian concept meaning &#8221; for the good of all,&#8217; and &#8220;one size fits all,&#8221; is usually a liberal/communist ideology.<br />
For instance Liberal  govt.  banned bottled water in San Francisco because it was taking the monies away from the govt through the water municipalities. Everyone knows that taxes are the lifeblood of democrats, and having the population all gravitate toward bottled water could not be tolerated because it was cutting into the govts<br />
tax base ! hence democrats shot themselves in the foot just being democrats as they geared toward the natural way of water drinking !</p>
<p>Fluoride found in nature is usually found with calcium and its known as Calcium fluoride = CaF2. This propels the pro argument for fluoride by its proponents, but fluoride in nature means nothing special it means the same thing as supporting the argment for poisonous mushrooms or arsenic or even poison ivey ! Fluoride is in pop you drink, any bottled drink for that matter. fluoride is a health hazzard as it leaches calcium<br />
from the body as it is found in nature attached to calcium, so it attaches to the bones and teeth in the body and&#8217; leeches it out of the body and causes mass tooth decay as well as an uncontrollable osteoparosis in humans but particularly in women in mid life especially.</p>
<p>in the 50&#8217;s and 60&#8217;s when fluoride was put into the water and toothpaste, the toothpaste tubes were made of aluminum (courtesy of the main supplier of aluminum and fluoride: ALCOA) you could find silver substance coming out onto your toothpaste from the bottle and it was scary. This was because fluoride is so acidic that it leeched the metal<br />
from the aluminum tube as you squeezed out your toothpaste onto your toothbrush ! since they use plastic tubes to stop that.<br />
Fluoride is so acidic that it is carried in specially rubberized lined tankers because it would eat right through the metal of the tanker that carries it to the water supplies !<br />
The dictionary (any dictionary) defines fluorine as: &#8220;the most toxic corrosive poisonous halogen (meaning unstable) element known<br />
to man. how about that for being &#8217;safe and effective&#8221; against tooth decay?<br />
So someone please tell me just how this definition of the most dangerous toxin known to man suddenly translates to being &#8217;safe<br />
and effective&#8221; against tooth decay ! I&#8217;d be interested in just how this transition occurs.</p>
<p>No not even small doses is safe even at the .001 ppm that the govt qualifies it in the industrial drinking supplies. This is because fluoride not being a natural substance to the human body, is accumulative so drinking a saffe amount deemed by govt in drinking water, eventually becomes toxic because fluoride is added to everything you drink including soups, juices pop and even in the OJ you squeeze yourself because plants like oranges absorb it from the soil !</p>
<p>There are two important books out on the issue of fluoridation. One book is out of print now but maybe can be found in your public library called &#8220;Fluoridation the great dilemma&#8221; written by allergist George Walbott MD in approx 1969 i think&#8230; The other is more recent written in the 90&#8217;s i believe called: Fluoride the aging factor&#8221; by John Yimmanous  (check spelling). Both books are totally comprehensive studies on fluoride and its effect on health, and shows just how damaging and dangerous it is to us.</p>
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		<title>By: OzSpen</title>
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		<dc:creator>OzSpen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Feb 2009 01:27:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In 2003, the Queensland government stated that &quot;whilst recognising that the balance of the scientific argument favours the use of fluoride in the pursuit of oral health, it is a principle of ethical public health that mass, involuntary medication must never proceed without the express consent of the community. . . .  Queensland Government supports the introduction of water fluoridation wherever it receives the consent of the community affected&quot; (Queensland Government Position Statement on Water Fluoridation 2003).

So, the then Queensland Beattie government considered it unethical to provide &quot;mass involuntary medication&quot; through water fluoridation without the &quot;consent of the community.&quot;  But what did the Bligh government do?  Repudiating its own government statement in 2003, it implemented an unethical practice of forcing a toxic drug on all Queenslanders through water fluoridation – without the people&#039;s consent.

The scientific evidence is accumulating against fluoride.

The Canton of Basel-Stadt, Switzerland, withdrew fluoride for the same reasons that Queensland should not fluoridate its water supply.  The Swiss gave these reasons:


    1.  The preventative effect of the fluoridation of drinking water could not be proved by any study.  When specialists do not succeed in producing definitive proof in 40 years, the issue has to be abandoned.

    2.  In spite of the fluoridation of drinking water, caries (tooth decay) has been on the increase with children.

    3.  The danger of fluorosis is played down; nobody talks about fluorosis of the bones.  The fluoridation of drinking water is particularly problematic in the case of young children and babies.


    4.  Less than 1% of the fluoride in drinking water is actually used for &quot;prevention of caries&quot;, more than 99% of the fluoridated water is used for washing, cleaning, industrial production, etc. and thus only pollutes the environment, a very undesirable imbalance (this Basel statement by Rudolf Ziegelbecker &amp; Konradin Kreuzer, from: http://www.woats.co.uk/pages_articles/nutrition_03.htm [cited 28 February 2009].</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In 2003, the Queensland government stated that &#8220;whilst recognising that the balance of the scientific argument favours the use of fluoride in the pursuit of oral health, it is a principle of ethical public health that mass, involuntary medication must never proceed without the express consent of the community. . . .  Queensland Government supports the introduction of water fluoridation wherever it receives the consent of the community affected&#8221; (Queensland Government Position Statement on Water Fluoridation 2003).</p>
<p>So, the then Queensland Beattie government considered it unethical to provide &#8220;mass involuntary medication&#8221; through water fluoridation without the &#8220;consent of the community.&#8221;  But what did the Bligh government do?  Repudiating its own government statement in 2003, it implemented an unethical practice of forcing a toxic drug on all Queenslanders through water fluoridation – without the people&#8217;s consent.</p>
<p>The scientific evidence is accumulating against fluoride.</p>
<p>The Canton of Basel-Stadt, Switzerland, withdrew fluoride for the same reasons that Queensland should not fluoridate its water supply.  The Swiss gave these reasons:</p>
<p>    1.  The preventative effect of the fluoridation of drinking water could not be proved by any study.  When specialists do not succeed in producing definitive proof in 40 years, the issue has to be abandoned.</p>
<p>    2.  In spite of the fluoridation of drinking water, caries (tooth decay) has been on the increase with children.</p>
<p>    3.  The danger of fluorosis is played down; nobody talks about fluorosis of the bones.  The fluoridation of drinking water is particularly problematic in the case of young children and babies.</p>
<p>    4.  Less than 1% of the fluoride in drinking water is actually used for &#8220;prevention of caries&#8221;, more than 99% of the fluoridated water is used for washing, cleaning, industrial production, etc. and thus only pollutes the environment, a very undesirable imbalance (this Basel statement by Rudolf Ziegelbecker &amp; Konradin Kreuzer, from: <a href="http://www.woats.co.uk/pages_articles/nutrition_03.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.woats.co.uk/pages_articles/nutrition_03.htm</a> [cited 28 February 2009].</p>
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