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	<description>The Blog of Councillor Sue Brooks, Hervey Bay - Fraser Coast</description>
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		<title>By: Ashley Needham</title>
		<link>http://suebrooks.com.au/2009/fraser-island-walking-trails/comment-page-1/#comment-2060</link>
		<dc:creator>Ashley Needham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Oct 2011 12:17:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For the best value walking / hiking experience on Fraser Island go to Fraser Dingo Walkabouts - offers all options  4wd / hike  - Fly / tour / hike - Lake McKenzie Tribal Trek 
http://www.fraserdingo4wdhire.com.au/hiking_</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For the best value walking / hiking experience on Fraser Island go to Fraser Dingo Walkabouts &#8211; offers all options  4wd / hike  &#8211; Fly / tour / hike &#8211; Lake McKenzie Tribal Trek<br />
<a href="http://www.fraserdingo4wdhire.com.au/hiking_" rel="nofollow">http://www.fraserdingo4wdhire.com.au/hiking_</a></p>
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		<title>By: Robin</title>
		<link>http://suebrooks.com.au/2009/fraser-island-walking-trails/comment-page-1/#comment-1626</link>
		<dc:creator>Robin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Nov 2010 09:58:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am doing the FI Great Walk in a couple of weeks with my husband.   We have walked the Thorsborne Trail on Hinchinbook so are not complete walking newbies.  If
anyone has any advice to make our walk as enjoyable and safe as possible I would be very grateful to recieve it.  Thanks</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am doing the FI Great Walk in a couple of weeks with my husband.   We have walked the Thorsborne Trail on Hinchinbook so are not complete walking newbies.  If<br />
anyone has any advice to make our walk as enjoyable and safe as possible I would be very grateful to recieve it.  Thanks</p>
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		<title>By: ben</title>
		<link>http://suebrooks.com.au/2009/fraser-island-walking-trails/comment-page-1/#comment-1131</link>
		<dc:creator>ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 01:41:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i really think u all need to shut up :D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i really think u all need to shut up <img src='http://suebrooks.com.au/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Fabian</title>
		<link>http://suebrooks.com.au/2009/fraser-island-walking-trails/comment-page-1/#comment-833</link>
		<dc:creator>Fabian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 00:28:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Quote: &quot;Apparently though, the track is under utilized. Why don’t we develop this track and ensure that walking on Fraser Island becomes a desired way to experience this island?&quot;

Hi Sue,

I did the Fraser Isl. Great Walk and its lateral trail from Inskip Point in September 2007. In my opinion, the trail was not under utilized. Most of the walkers camps are very small and do not host more than two or three hiking parties.
Building bigger camps and therefore allowing bigger, and may be even tour operated groups, would mean turning all the remote places along this Great Walk into another overvisited spots (like Lake McKenzie before the buses leave).

It is a very special hike and I highly appreciated the solitude one could experience. I was always impressed, how few people among the tourists are actually going to hike in the australian bush. For example, there is a fantastic 2/3 day walk just starting at Airlie Beach, the Whitsunday Great Walk. I haven&#039;t seen anyone during that trail and the camps seemed not to get a lot of visits.

Now to the 4WD rentals:
At other places, it is not common practise to rent a 4wd for outdoor usage to anyone under 25. We had a very hard time getting a car to drive around in the lower Cape York Peninsula. 
No problem on Fraser though, where the terrain to drive on is much more difficult. I have spoken to a lot of people doing the self-drive trip, and all agreed that it seemed weird giving away such a big car, full of people and gear to drivers with no previous off road experience.

Bye</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quote: &#8220;Apparently though, the track is under utilized. Why don’t we develop this track and ensure that walking on Fraser Island becomes a desired way to experience this island?&#8221;</p>
<p>Hi Sue,</p>
<p>I did the Fraser Isl. Great Walk and its lateral trail from Inskip Point in September 2007. In my opinion, the trail was not under utilized. Most of the walkers camps are very small and do not host more than two or three hiking parties.<br />
Building bigger camps and therefore allowing bigger, and may be even tour operated groups, would mean turning all the remote places along this Great Walk into another overvisited spots (like Lake McKenzie before the buses leave).</p>
<p>It is a very special hike and I highly appreciated the solitude one could experience. I was always impressed, how few people among the tourists are actually going to hike in the australian bush. For example, there is a fantastic 2/3 day walk just starting at Airlie Beach, the Whitsunday Great Walk. I haven&#8217;t seen anyone during that trail and the camps seemed not to get a lot of visits.</p>
<p>Now to the 4WD rentals:<br />
At other places, it is not common practise to rent a 4wd for outdoor usage to anyone under 25. We had a very hard time getting a car to drive around in the lower Cape York Peninsula.<br />
No problem on Fraser though, where the terrain to drive on is much more difficult. I have spoken to a lot of people doing the self-drive trip, and all agreed that it seemed weird giving away such a big car, full of people and gear to drivers with no previous off road experience.</p>
<p>Bye</p>
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		<title>By: sue</title>
		<link>http://suebrooks.com.au/2009/fraser-island-walking-trails/comment-page-1/#comment-709</link>
		<dc:creator>sue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jun 2009 23:11:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You raise a good point Sheila. Have you been in contact with Kingfisher Resort? I know that whale watching is wheelchair friendly but expect a type of lift would be needed to enable wheelchairs to get from a boat to the jetty at Kingfisher. The resort is located in hilly terrain so that is a challenge also. Otherwise the alternative is to go by vehicle via a barge I expect. Are any 4WD operators offering this service? I will make enquiries.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You raise a good point Sheila. Have you been in contact with Kingfisher Resort? I know that whale watching is wheelchair friendly but expect a type of lift would be needed to enable wheelchairs to get from a boat to the jetty at Kingfisher. The resort is located in hilly terrain so that is a challenge also. Otherwise the alternative is to go by vehicle via a barge I expect. Are any 4WD operators offering this service? I will make enquiries.</p>
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		<title>By: Sheila King</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sheila King</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jun 2009 22:59:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sue

I have heard it is lovely on Fraser Island, but I can&#039;t find out for myself.   I am the now confined to a wheelchair - wheelchairs can&#039;t access the Fraser Island catamorans to get to the island and if they could how could you get a wheelchair up the steps from the beach to the path when that vessel arrives at Fraser Island, or to both the rest of the Island and/or the Kingfisher Bay resort.  Instead of worrying about walking trails, isn&#039;t it time you and the people concerned with the Island&#039;s tourism potential thought about access ramps for wheelchairs and other mobility aids.  Wheelchairs can get on the various barges,  but cannot get onto dry land when they arrive at the barge set down.</description>
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<p>I have heard it is lovely on Fraser Island, but I can&#8217;t find out for myself.   I am the now confined to a wheelchair &#8211; wheelchairs can&#8217;t access the Fraser Island catamorans to get to the island and if they could how could you get a wheelchair up the steps from the beach to the path when that vessel arrives at Fraser Island, or to both the rest of the Island and/or the Kingfisher Bay resort.  Instead of worrying about walking trails, isn&#8217;t it time you and the people concerned with the Island&#8217;s tourism potential thought about access ramps for wheelchairs and other mobility aids.  Wheelchairs can get on the various barges,  but cannot get onto dry land when they arrive at the barge set down.</p>
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		<title>By: baggins</title>
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		<dc:creator>baggins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 02:03:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the response Sue.

Personally, I don&#039;t believe that it is wise or practical to dismiss the dingo safety factor so lightly as a &#039;user beware&#039; situation.  If future legal actions are to be avoided or minimised, surely those responsible for the safety of tourists in the area under their control, must demonstrate that they have adopted a reasonable level of care and responsibility in preventing any future tourist injuries or deaths from starving dingos (or even crocodiles it now seems)?  I guess the same arguement would also apply to the frequent 4WD accidents?  I would imagine that future claims for damages and compensation in such instances are a distinct possibility in this age of rampant litagation? 

Not sure that the idea of large machinery pushing sand around our beaches is such a great solution either ... it makes them appear more like an open cut mine-site in my opinion.  I prefer the idea of using a barge and pump to regularly move the sand from the worsening, unwanted sandbanks just off shore to the beaches where this sand is needed!  Noosa does this well!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the response Sue.</p>
<p>Personally, I don&#8217;t believe that it is wise or practical to dismiss the dingo safety factor so lightly as a &#8216;user beware&#8217; situation.  If future legal actions are to be avoided or minimised, surely those responsible for the safety of tourists in the area under their control, must demonstrate that they have adopted a reasonable level of care and responsibility in preventing any future tourist injuries or deaths from starving dingos (or even crocodiles it now seems)?  I guess the same arguement would also apply to the frequent 4WD accidents?  I would imagine that future claims for damages and compensation in such instances are a distinct possibility in this age of rampant litagation? </p>
<p>Not sure that the idea of large machinery pushing sand around our beaches is such a great solution either &#8230; it makes them appear more like an open cut mine-site in my opinion.  I prefer the idea of using a barge and pump to regularly move the sand from the worsening, unwanted sandbanks just off shore to the beaches where this sand is needed!  Noosa does this well!</p>
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		<title>By: sue</title>
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		<dc:creator>sue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 22:41:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Baggins. The dingo problem is not a problem in my opinion. In many other parts of the world people venture into areas where there are animals that can eat us. For example everytime I go snorkelling I could end up as shark snack! A stout walking stick and I would feel absolutely perfectly safe walking accompanied on FI. But I agree that there are issues especially environmental conservation issues that have to be addressed in the development of improved walking opportunities on FI. 
Re beach erosion. I honestly believe that the enormous numbers of layers of Legislation that control all our doings along our coastline has been the undoing of Council erosion control plans in the past. Currently Council is developing a Shoreline Erosion Management Plan (SEMP) which will specifically address the issue. Once completed the plan should enable Council to make future decisions about shoreline erosion control in confidence that the State Government will permit (or not) the works.
I personally believe that we should fund an &#039;as needed&#039; sand push maintenance regime. This would mean that in suitable locations sand is simply pushed back up to the dunes after bad weather events. This work would need to be carried out a maximum of once a year in my experience, as for most of the year we don&#039;t experience the damaging winds. Doing this would mean that we can save the trees etc that are slowly but surely undermined. In other areas this method won&#039;t work and I think &#039;old fashioned&#039; rock walls or their modern equivalent are needed. BUT all this costs money and will need to be further investigated and considered by Council. I hope the SEMP will consider these ideas. I&#039;m off to a Coastal Conference at Seaworld for the next 3 days so may have some more news over the coming weekend!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Baggins. The dingo problem is not a problem in my opinion. In many other parts of the world people venture into areas where there are animals that can eat us. For example everytime I go snorkelling I could end up as shark snack! A stout walking stick and I would feel absolutely perfectly safe walking accompanied on FI. But I agree that there are issues especially environmental conservation issues that have to be addressed in the development of improved walking opportunities on FI.<br />
Re beach erosion. I honestly believe that the enormous numbers of layers of Legislation that control all our doings along our coastline has been the undoing of Council erosion control plans in the past. Currently Council is developing a Shoreline Erosion Management Plan (SEMP) which will specifically address the issue. Once completed the plan should enable Council to make future decisions about shoreline erosion control in confidence that the State Government will permit (or not) the works.<br />
I personally believe that we should fund an &#8216;as needed&#8217; sand push maintenance regime. This would mean that in suitable locations sand is simply pushed back up to the dunes after bad weather events. This work would need to be carried out a maximum of once a year in my experience, as for most of the year we don&#8217;t experience the damaging winds. Doing this would mean that we can save the trees etc that are slowly but surely undermined. In other areas this method won&#8217;t work and I think &#8216;old fashioned&#8217; rock walls or their modern equivalent are needed. BUT all this costs money and will need to be further investigated and considered by Council. I hope the SEMP will consider these ideas. I&#8217;m off to a Coastal Conference at Seaworld for the next 3 days so may have some more news over the coming weekend!</p>
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		<title>By: baggins</title>
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		<dc:creator>baggins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 02:43:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sue, the oveerseas backpakers I have spoken to say they loved the Southern part of the Great Walk, but they weren&#039;t too enthusiastic about the Northern part for what it is worth?  

I like the concept of interesting shorter trails with transport linkages and scattered accomodation (like they have up near the Gibb River). But, it raises big safety issues concerning the ever present dingo problem and the frequent out of control bushfires on Fraser.  These and possibly other safety issues would need to be properly addressed before promoting the walking trail idea to the masses as an alternative to self drive tours I feel?  

By the way, I saw you on the channel 7 news item about the beach erosion and am still wondering why absolutely nothing has been achieved by Council and numerous former councillors after all this time?  I had been told years ago when buried rock walls were flavour of the day (like the VERY successful ones at the Gold Coast) that EPA and government bureaucracy were the ongoing obstacles to getting things moving?  With seas reportedly on the rise due to climate change, it seems very unwise not to be aggressively pursueing such a strategy, especially in lower, high population density areas of likely concern!  What can residents expect to eventuate in the shorter term please?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sue, the oveerseas backpakers I have spoken to say they loved the Southern part of the Great Walk, but they weren&#8217;t too enthusiastic about the Northern part for what it is worth?  </p>
<p>I like the concept of interesting shorter trails with transport linkages and scattered accomodation (like they have up near the Gibb River). But, it raises big safety issues concerning the ever present dingo problem and the frequent out of control bushfires on Fraser.  These and possibly other safety issues would need to be properly addressed before promoting the walking trail idea to the masses as an alternative to self drive tours I feel?  </p>
<p>By the way, I saw you on the channel 7 news item about the beach erosion and am still wondering why absolutely nothing has been achieved by Council and numerous former councillors after all this time?  I had been told years ago when buried rock walls were flavour of the day (like the VERY successful ones at the Gold Coast) that EPA and government bureaucracy were the ongoing obstacles to getting things moving?  With seas reportedly on the rise due to climate change, it seems very unwise not to be aggressively pursueing such a strategy, especially in lower, high population density areas of likely concern!  What can residents expect to eventuate in the shorter term please?</p>
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		<title>By: Sue</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 May 2009 22:23:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Graham you raise some excellent points. Most of which I agree with. However my intent is not to stop people driving on Fraser Island. Personally I would like to see a reduction in first time visitors being allowed to take control of a 4WD full of other people given free access to FI, but I am a realist and don&#039;t think that is going to happen. 
I was a backpacker once and factored into my itinery enough time to undertake walks. Even now when holidaying anywhere with my partner Graham, we walk whenever we can. We most recently visited Rarotonga and didn&#039;t hire a car but bused and walked. We also thoroughly enjoyed a one day walk across the entire island. This took us up and over a steep mountain and was hard going but we loved it. Another day we did a half day &#039;bush tucker&#039; nature walk!
My aim is to try and encourage more walking on Fraser Island than what is currently available. I realise to walk the entire island is not practical for most travellers but it is possible to be taken to the start of a walk (via 4wd) and be guided (or not) to a destination where one is collected (via 4wd) and taken elsewhere. I envision overnight stops and options of between one and several nights walking trails. How about a cross island walk for instance? Kingfisher to Eurong or Happy Valley? The walks need to take people to places where vehicles can&#039;t go. The adventure of walking is to quietly and very gently explore places away from the trappings of petrol and speed I believe. This is one persons experience walking the Great Walk found online. http://www.gang-gang.net/nomad/greatsandywalk/FIE.htm
Thank you for your comments everyone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Graham you raise some excellent points. Most of which I agree with. However my intent is not to stop people driving on Fraser Island. Personally I would like to see a reduction in first time visitors being allowed to take control of a 4WD full of other people given free access to FI, but I am a realist and don&#8217;t think that is going to happen.<br />
I was a backpacker once and factored into my itinery enough time to undertake walks. Even now when holidaying anywhere with my partner Graham, we walk whenever we can. We most recently visited Rarotonga and didn&#8217;t hire a car but bused and walked. We also thoroughly enjoyed a one day walk across the entire island. This took us up and over a steep mountain and was hard going but we loved it. Another day we did a half day &#8216;bush tucker&#8217; nature walk!<br />
My aim is to try and encourage more walking on Fraser Island than what is currently available. I realise to walk the entire island is not practical for most travellers but it is possible to be taken to the start of a walk (via 4wd) and be guided (or not) to a destination where one is collected (via 4wd) and taken elsewhere. I envision overnight stops and options of between one and several nights walking trails. How about a cross island walk for instance? Kingfisher to Eurong or Happy Valley? The walks need to take people to places where vehicles can&#8217;t go. The adventure of walking is to quietly and very gently explore places away from the trappings of petrol and speed I believe. This is one persons experience walking the Great Walk found online. <a href="http://www.gang-gang.net/nomad/greatsandywalk/FIE.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.gang-gang.net/nomad/greatsandywalk/FIE.htm</a><br />
Thank you for your comments everyone.</p>
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